(dont follow this recipe without water in hand) This recipe has a total of 3/4 c. liquid as written. I have a Breadman Plus machine. After 11 minutes of kneading, the dough was so stiff the machine almost quit working and sounded very overworked (never had this problem with any recipe before). I added 1 T water, which was not enough and continued until I had added 3 T additional water total. The dough was still very stiff, but as this was my first experience with bagels I did not add anymore water. The resulting dough was so dry that it was almost separating in layers as I was trying to form bagels. Another thing was that Meilach suggests a second 20 minute rise after the bagels are formed. This produced a very airy light non-bagel like bagel when I applied it to the cinnamon raisin bagels below. [Angela] From: Bread-Bakers Archives: ftp.best.com/pub/reggie/archives/bread/recipe Recipe By : Best Bagels are Made at Home, D. Meilach (Angela Fox)